Over at Biblical Manhood, Anakin has a post about women finding his blog and or MGTOW/MRA misogynistic. Perhaps Suzanne and Janet would be willing to answer the following question here: What on Biblical Manhood did you find misogynistic?
Come ladies, let's reason together.
(Suzanne I am sorry for the recent loss of your father. Please feel free to ignore me at this time if this discussion may cause you further distress)
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i have not had opportunity to read these yet ... will try to soon :)
Learner,
I invite you to come to my blog and put the word misogyny and its variants into the search dialogue box and then cite how I have used the word misogyny. If you cannot find any reference to misogyny that I have written then perhaps you would offer me an apology.
Thanks for your sympathy. I loved my father very much.
You are welcome for the sympathy.
The post at your blog that Anakin linked to said, quote "For example, there has been a burgeoning Christian “men’s rights” movement on this internet (aka “MGTOW”, “MRA”) that uses Eggerich’s writings to reinforce their mysogynistic stereotypes of women as shrews."
I assumed that including the comment of Janet in your post indicated assent with what she said since you did not indicate otherwise. If I was incorrect in that assumption and you do not in fact find the blog Biblical Manhood and or MGTOW/MRA to be misogynistic I apologize for my incorrect assumption.
I am still curious however about the answer to my question if I was not incorrect in my assumption.
When I cited the full comment of Janet, I had no idea what the letters stood for or who she was referring to.
I was interested in the connection with Gottman, which she mentioned earlier in her comment.
I don't think that just because someone cites something that means they agree with it. I hesitated before citing Janet's entire comment, but I didn't want it to appear that I had edited what she had said either.
I have no idea whether her statement regarding the Biblical Manhood blog is true or not. Do you think I should edit the post to reflect that?
Suzanne,
Well, if I cite something in scholarly writing that I do not agree with, in part or in full, when arguing or discussing a point I would be expected to clarify that. If I qoute someone in my blog and I do not agree with what they said or if I agree with part of it but not all, or if I agree with part of it but don't know what the other part means (especially if it is about another party) I make it clear.
If I quoted someone, say "Blogger X" and that quote contained an accusation against another blogger I would either check it out to see if they are right or not include the accusation ie; "comment edited to pertinent material" or something like that. If I did include it and did not know if it was correct or not and was called on it, yes, I would edit it and include a note explaining why.
But, that is me and, 1. I am a nerd, and 2. academia may have ruined my ability to carry on a normal conversation, ha!
Learner,
There seems to be some confusion. This is the quote that I cited,
"For example, there has been a burgeoning Christian “men’s rights” movement on this internet (aka “MGTOW”, “MRA”) that uses Eggerich’s writings to reinforce their mysogynistic stereotypes of women as shrews. In the wrong hands, Eggerich’s sweeping quotes can be very toxic stuff."
It does not mention "blogger x" so I am not sure who you are referring to.
Is there some representative of MGTOW that I should apologize to now that I have confirmed that their manifesto promotes the subordination of women, but I haven't read enough of their site to verify misogyny?
Do you really want me to go back and read their forum and see if what is said there qualifies as misogyny?
I just googled the MGTOW forum and I think you know what kind of language I read there. Do you really want some examples?
Suzanne,
Yes, I am aware of the quote you cited (see my citing of the same quote in these comments). My use of "blogger x" was as an example. I said "If I quoted blogger X..." :) I hope that clarifies it.
I asked "What on Biblical Manhood did you find misogynistic?" I am well aware of the misogyny that is present in some areas of the MRM/MGTOW. If you want to find misogyny, there is misogyny to be had. And, by the way, bad language does not necessarily = misogyny.
This is why I puzzle at anyone accusing Anakin of misogyny. Seriously, he is like Gloria Steinem in comparison (no offense Anakin).I don't remember suggesting you apologize to anyone. You, however suggested I should apologize to you. I think you are mixing us up.
Also subordnination? To make subject or subserviant? To treat as less in value or importance? That is a far cry from women willingly submitting to male authority in the church and home out of obediance to God, just as men willingly submit in obedience to God to be the authority in the home and church.
You seem to view submission as a negative and opressive thing. Is that accurate?
"This is why I puzzle at anyone accusing Anakin of misogyny."
Who accused Anakin of misogyny? This has not been made clear to me.
If you can't somehow cite something that I have written and then explain what it is exactly that you take issue with, I will have to let this go. Sorry, I can't follow.
Thanks for linking to my blog. Good luck with your dissertation.
Oops. You didn't link to my blog. Well, that's okay too.
Wish you all the best.
Janet accused Anakin of misogyny when she said "Just to clarify, Eggerich[s] doesn't support MGTOW (acronym for "men going their own way"), but some of the guys on MGTOW sites quote from Eggerich's book to justify their ideas about all the world's ills coming from "feminists", "skanks" and generally nagging shrews who just won't submit to male authority.
the Biblical Manhood site is one such blog" in a comment to your post. The post that included your quote of her saying "For example, there has been a burgeoning Christian “men’s rights” movement on this internet (aka “MGTOW”, “MRA”) that uses Eggerich’s writings to reinforce their mysogynistic stereotypes of women as shrews. In the wrong hands, Eggerich’s sweeping quotes can be very toxic stuff." Anakin explained that in the post he wrote on the subject.
From what I can gather now you didn't understand what Janet was talking about, though that was not clear in your post.
If you tell me what about this is not clear I will attempt to explain it. Thank you for your well wishes on my dissertation.
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