Tuesday, December 11, 2007

The Rantings of a Single Male Part III: Rant C

The part of this rant that I am going to discuss is essentially about equality.

This section was pretty difficult to write. Not necessarily because the material is difficult, but because sometimes I just don't want to wade through the hyperbole. But, there are some things I want to say, so I may as well get on with it.

Ellis makes an interesting observation when he states “Women think it is men who insist on being recognized as superior. Using male oppression as justification, feminists have counterattacked with an unending salvo of female supremacy. Women are emotionally and morally superior. Women are more caring, sensitive, and nurturing. Women are not ruled by their hormones like men. Women have superior verbal skills….In spite of all the female supremacy propaganda thrown at them, women still require men to be superior to themselves as a condition of acceptance and respect and for consideration as sex partners. Women still demand men who are superior to themselves and strength, knowledge, skill, height, success, determination, aggression, and just about everything. ” (p.20)

While I appreciate the juxtaposition of the ideas Ellis puts forth, supposed female supremacy versus women desiring men who are superior to them, as a woman it seems natural to me to think that there are some things that men are better at than me. And that also there may be some things that I am better at than a man. This does not seem illogical to me, but rather the nature of things. So, I'm not quite sure I understand the point he is trying to make here. Skills and characteristics such as sensitivity, nurturing, and verbal ability are seen as stereotypically feminine, whereas skills such as determination, aggression and strength are seen as stereotypically male. Simple observation will tell you that some qualities and abilities are more prevalent in one gender than another. Some obvious examples include physiological differences such as height and physical strength. The average man is taller than the average woman and the average man is stronger than the average woman. That is not to say that there are no individual women taller than any individual man or that there are no individual women who may be physically stronger than an individual man. There are always exceptions, but there are also some general trends. Perhaps, Ellis’s disagreement is with the stereotypical nature of these characteristics. On that count, I must agree with him. A great deal of the time, I think it makes more sense to judge people's abilities on an individual basis rather than on the basis of their gender. Or perhaps, it's about the whole "anything you can, do, I can do better” competition that feminism appears to engender.

The author further clarifies his point of view stating “even though women seek out men they perceive as superior, they've been conditioned to demand the appearance of equality." (p. 21) On this point, I definitely agree. Feminism does attempt to condition women to the idea that they can do anything as well as men and there are many cases in which this is not true. One time, I went to visit a friend of mine in Michigan and she and her roommate were moving into a new apartment. Her roommate was a self-proclaimed “Christian feminist”. My friend’s roommate was highly insulted when a male friend offered to help her move the couch that she was struggling with because she felt that this meant he thought she was incapable. This completely baffled me. After all when I'm in the grocery store attempting to stretch to reach an item on the top shelf I'm not insulted if a taller individual offers to help me. It's a simple anatomical fact, I am only so tall... it doesn't make me less of a person. It's also a simple anatomical fact that I can't lift the couch (though I will admit to being more of a wimp than the average woman). So why should I be insulted if someone, man or woman, offers to help me? When did life become a competition?


Ellis goes on to discuss the concept of “different equalities".

“Women are now a confused mutation of old and new privilege. Old privilege is that of previous generations. Ladies first. Men are supposed to support women. Men are held responsible for the happiness of their wives. Men must risk of their own safety to protect women. Men have to pay. Women don't have to register for the draft. Old privilege is females getting whatever they want because they're so damned cute. New privilege is affirmative action. It is hundreds of women's commissions promoting women's causes and expanding female entitlements. New privilege is an express lane to success for women. New privilege is women getting credit, but no blame. New privilege is making it hazardous to your job to openly disagree with gender politics that favor women. Women want all the old and new privileges and to call it equality." (p. 22)

I'm not sure that the "old privileges" were actually due to the fact that women are "so damned cute". I think it more likely that they were due to a different understanding of the roles of men and women. An understanding that was closer to a Biblical model that was patriarchal in nature. If feminism wants to do away with this understanding then I think it is completely fair to question the equality of maintaining the privileges that came from that understanding. I believe this is one of the ways that feminism has hurt women far more than it has helped them. Personally, I think the concept of "equality" between men and women is a fallacy. While I believe that all humans are equal in basic value we are not the same in terms of our abilities, aptitudes, and God-given roles, so why pretend that we are?

The author then goes on to ask the question "Should women be able to pick and choose what they want to be equal with men about?" This is a good question. True equality would mean that women are subject to the same responsibilities as men. Ladies, do you want to register for the draft?

Ellis goes on to discuss a quote from suffragette Susan B. Anthony. "Men, their rights and nothing more; women, their rights and nothing less." This, from a woman, who is purported to be a champion of equality? I had never heard this quote from Anthony before but it certainly does back up Ellis' claim that the agenda of the women's movement “has always been about winning rights as well as special privileges for women.” (p. 23) He goes on to say "I'm not questioning the right of women to vote. I'm saying that because women can vote on issues involving war and are also exempt from ever being forced to participate in actual combat, they have equal rights with fewer responsibilities than men.” You know what? That's true.

Ellis goes on to outline the idea that if women want to be considered equal, then they should go out and acquire the skills that men have. I agree with this to a point. If a woman wants to be considered “equal” or the same as a man then yes, she should compete with him based on skill.

Humorously (to me anyway) Mr. Ellis chooses to use the example of accomplished musical ability, particularly the ability to play electric guitar to illustrate his point that women don't compete on a skill level because they don't feel they have to because they can rely on sex appeal. Ellis postulates that women feel they don't need to become proficient musicians because they are able to get what they want through the use of their appearance, stating “wearing a short skirt is a lot easier than practicing. That's certainly why adult women never take up instruments.” (p. 26)

Okay, I have to be honest here and say that when I read this I thought “what?” and laughed. I do know women who have taken up musical instruments as adults (harp, piano, cello). However, they pursued those instruments not to "get what they want" but rather for the enjoyment that musical expression brings them. Also, I think it's entirely possible that there are other reasons why you don't see a lot of women striving to become the best at playing electric guitar. Maybe they prefer other interests? My female friends pursue excellence in creative skill acquisition and coordination in areas such as quilting, ballroom dancing, jewelry making, soldering leaded glass, and writing etc. Or perhaps it's because some women place less value in skill acquisition than they do in other things such as their relationships to others. Now, I realize that is not true for all women, but I do think it's true for lots of women I know. Just for fun I did an informal poll of eight women on the subject. Five of these women were believers and three unbelievers ranging in age from 22 to 46. I asked them, "Why don't you play the electric guitar?" After they finished laughing, most of their answers went something like this: either “I guess I just was never interested in it” or “that sounds like fun, but I've got my hands full with “X” (my family or school)”.

Ellis furthers his thesis with the idea that women don't pursue skill acquisition because they don’t see the need to since they "see men as easily controllable." (p. 27) When I read statements like this I am often puzzled. I believe the author that some women think this way, but I wonder how many. Ok readers, I want to know what you think about this. I know you are lurking out there reading and not commenting….well here’s your chance! (I know you were holding your breath waiting for an opportunity, weren’t you?) If you are a man: do you think women see you as easily controllable? If you are a woman: do you see men as easily controllable? You can leave your comment anonymously or even make up a fun name for yourself like Spanky or Betty Boop…won’t that be fun! :)

Feel free to comment on anything else you desire too…like why my blog background is sooooo boring…or why that safety from the Steelers can’t keep his mouth shut about the Patriots….or where did the word “yule” come from anyway?

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yule is, I think, an old German or Saxon word. And I am the only male in America, I think, who does not care for football -- something deficient in my upbringing, or just more interest in tearing TVs and Lawnmowers apart to see what made them tick.

Response: Your investigations may be enhanced in looking at this secular writer by contemplating that he is observing himself, and women, through a "broken" window which distorts things; the old nature, which affects behaviour not only at the individual level but also as it becomes expressed in the aggregate, i.e. "culture". Sometimes culture throws up good things and sometimes it does not, depending on how "clearly" the culture sees. yes; great art and philosophy has grown out of "pagan" cultures, but there always seems to be a trade off (and consider some of the sins of Christendom, as well - some cathedrals of Europe being built around the same time as the Crusades).
-scm

single/certain said...

i see a lot of men as easily controlled; look at current american culture. men are painted as imbeciles who need women to take care of them and frequently bail them out. that's why i don't watch any sitcoms.

i find easily controlled men depressing and not attractive in the least. i have a strong personality and i yearn for a man who can handle that. he doesn't have to be loud or some uber macho guy, just able to stand up to me. when i'm around a man i think of as strong, i can relax. be quieter. be myself. and i love that.

i think a man's strength compliments a woman's beauty and softness. (and keep in mind this is coming from a highly independant, hockey-playing woman who wears a lot of punkish black tshirts!).

Anonymous said...

In answer to your question, I think women want to be "led" to a degree by a man whom they perceive to be "competent.

SCM

Ame said...

haven't had time to read yet but will be back ... have had a child home sick every day this week ;(

Learner said...

SCM,

Yeah, I understand what you mean about the author's world view. I struggle with sorting through what he writes... when is it a masculine point of view and when is it a secular point of view?

In answer to your question, I think women want to be "led" to a degree by a man whom they perceive to be "competent.

I think this is true. Many women I know, myself included, definately desire to be led by a man. I think you have a good point about "competence" as well. I think many women are more interested in men they perceive as competent than men the perceive as superior to them (though the men may be "superior" to them in some ways as well).

Learner said...

Hi Single/Certain,

I definately see men portrayed as easily controlled by women and in need of a woman to take care of them in the media too...and I don't watch sitcoms either for that reason as well.

I agree...I don't want to "walk all over" any man but if I do happen to do that I want him to stand up to me...Not as a sort of "test" but just because a good relationship requires that give and take and being comfortable with each other.

Ame said...

Okay ... I've read through this. I have little to articulate at the moment because I'm exhausted and still miles to go before I sleep.

However, I absolutely agree with SCM,

"In answer to your question, I think women want to be "led" to a degree by a man whom they perceive to be "competent."

Going back to a previous comment I made, Pioneer Woman's "Black Heels to Tractor Wheels" ... the series she's writing about how she and her husband met and fell in love, shows this to be true so loud and clear it's in neon lights bigger than Texas ;).

http://thepioneerwoman.com/

http://thepioneerwoman.com/category/the_night_i_met_marlboro_man


Also ... SCM, I appreciate your Christian world-view. And, I know quite a few men who would rather dismantle a tv ... or discover new ways to hook all those wires together, than watch football.

Ame said...

"Do I see men as easily controllable?"

This is a difficult question for me to answer in that I am told I am very controlling ... a direct result of the abuse I endured throughout my childhood. I learned to control as much as I could as a coping mechanism. I was also placed in roles of great responsibility at very young ages and learned to "control" rather than develop authority. I was way too young, at 5,6,7,8, etc, to understand how to develop authority in the roles I was placed.

I do not see myself as controlling though I do not, either, dispute my counselor ;).

I am very inquisitive and ask tons of questions all the time ... my ex saw this as usurping his authority. I was not questioning *him* ... I just have a lot of questions in my path to understanding. I also see lots of options all the time and express them. I don't have a need to have my options chosen ... I just have a mind that doesn't stop.

Also, as a mom, I'm in a place of authority all the time ... sometimes it's difficult to turn off the "mom" in me and turn on the adult. I know that sounds crazy, but other SAHM's experience the same thing. As a single mom it's even more pronounced. I don't mind at all being called on it in a kind and gentle way.

I'm one who hates for there not to be a leader, so although I do not care to lead, I would rather lead than there not be a leader.

Do I believe I can control men? Ummm ... I don't really thing so. I think men will yield to a woman but not bend to her. I think a woman can eventually destroy a man, but I'm guessing the man has his own thoughts in his head, even if he feels she is dictating him. I don't think men necessarily like to go up against a woman and will let things go in the interest of peace. But I do believe men like and need to be in healthy authority in a relationship ... and that healthy authority requires women to place themselves in a healthy place under that authority. NOT dictatorship.

We are all equal in the eyes of God when it comes to entering the Kingdom of heaven. BUT, the Bible is very clear ... God chooses whom He chooses when He chooses ... the rain falls on the just and the unjust.

God does not promise fair or equal ... for which we all need to be eternally grateful. For if He did require fair and equal, all of humanity could not bear up under the pressure of the weight of our offense against a Holy God.

I do believe women have a propensity to be manipulative ... when used in healthy ways this will be defined in other ways (good manager; encourager; able to rally the troops; etc) and can be very good. But few women learn to use this in a healthy way in any relationship ... especially when society does not require it of them and goes so far as to discourage it ... hence this mess of feminism.

It's way too late and I'm very tired ... hoping I articulated this well.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I see how this author tends to generalize alot of things, but I do believe he's writing from from HIS experiences.

The fact of the matter is, women are actively encouraged by society and by the state to take power without taking any of the responsibility.

For example:

Look at the divorce courts.

When a woman sucks a man dry and utterly destroys his life in the process of divorce (alimony, child support, etc), the whole world laughs at the poor sucker. Everybody holds the woman's hand and cheers as she takes the guy to the bank and "sues that fucker for all he's worth!"

But if a man were to ever do that to a woman, he's be driven out of town on a rail!

So what does this have to do with the Men's Movement and the fact that there are so few women in it? Only this. Most women don't really want to change at all. You say that generalizations are normally mistaken. Yes, normally they are. But not this time.

For the most part, women don't want things to change. They don't want any balance of power, they wish to tip the scale further in their favor, if anything. Plain and simple.

The society we live in actively encourages women to abuse their sexual and psychological powers and to use them to dominate men. A women who abuses and crushes her husband is considered a "liberated" woman.

A man who crushes and dominates a woman is considered a pig. Just look at the media. So if you think about it, women have won the gender wars. There is absolutely NO incentive for women to give up the spoils of the war they've earned.

As far as they're concerned, joining the MRA or preaching against misandry or running to the defense of men who've been unjustly destroyed by women would be military suicide. It would be like invading a country, only to give it back to the people they took it from. Allegorically speaking, of course.

So why should women want change? They got it good! They are a hybrid of old/new privilege and their contradictory (insane) desires are fully backed by society and law and human nature. To look at themselves and admit that they themselves are part of the problem would force them off their little pedestal and to be held accountable. Unfortunately, most women don't wanna be held accountable because there are too many advantages (especially legally) in being a victim.

They want to force men to do their bidding, yet want them to lead. Women want men to lead, yet the women want the power to destroy their leaders for any reason at all (which, in reality, gives women the supreme power in the end).

The media encourages it, the government encourages it, the law encourages it, just about everyone encourages it.

Which is why, in general, most of the indivuals who talk about this are men. Not women. Yes, there are women who are fighting the scourge of feminazism and I appreciate such individuals (such as yourself). But keep in mind that girls like you are the exception, not the rule.

So you say that this guy is generalizing. Well, I'm sorry, but he's right. In general, women hold the power, they know it, and they are NOT gonna give it up without a fight.

Learner said...

Hi Oliver Twizted,

Thank you for your comment. Excellent alias as well….much better that Spanky or Betty Boop in my estimation.

It does not seem to me that most of the men discussing these issues are very interested in trying to help women understand, and you know what? I don’t really expect them to be. But this is what I am interested in. I think if the awareness of women can be raised then there is a chance that they will want things to change. I read somewhere that feminism is like a cult and I can see how this is true in some ways. Women have been indoctrinated into believing that feminism is good for them. When an individual is accustomed to things being a certain way they come to believe that is how things should be. It becomes very difficult to see otherwise. I want to raise the awareness of women about these issues and I think that can happen more easily if the message is delivered in a way that makes it easier for women to hear and understand.

You ask the question: So why should women want change? and even though it was rhetorical in nature I want to address it. I think that there are several reasons why women may want things to change. For women such as myself who follow Christ, the primary reason is because God has said that men are to be the head of the family and of the church and that women are to be in submission to that. It is no coincidence that ideologies that are contrary to God’s ways end up being destructive. I believe that if a woman desires to submit to God and is able to understand the destructive effects feminism is having on her family, the body of Christ, and society then she will desire change. I also think it possible that women who are not followers of Christ are capable of being reasonable and fair if they can understand what is happening as well. So, I do think it possible that some women will want things to change if they can hear and understand. Not all women, maybe mot even most women, but some women.